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Thinking like an architect

After viewing *almost* all the architecture plans of every neubau project around the Zürich area, I came to realize that sometimes architects make what I believe are some poor choices for floor layouts.

Take these two for example:

Both this and the floor plan below are for three bedroom flats around 150 sq m (1600 sq ft), cost 1-1.2 million CHF. (1.1-1.3 million USD) and NONE of them have been purchased.

Real estate in Switzerland is usually calculated by square meters, whether or not those are useful square meters. While the flats above both have a lot of space, they occupy an unfortunate small corner of a triangular building and as a result, the layouts are not optimal.

Both flats share a massive wall that has no windows, so the space cannot really be utilized for bedrooms. And the second flat has the most unfortunate winding hallway that will do nothing but increase the price of the flat because of it’s area.

Nobody wants to pay over a million for extra hallway space.

While there’s not much I would recommend for changing the second layout, aside from having initially done the apartment below it differently so that it wouldn’t have such an awkward, long entrance hallway, I really think they could have drawn up the first plan to be more useful.

Take a look again:

The problem with the first flat, is that unlike the second one, it does not have any bedrooms bigger than 14 sq m (150 sq ft) so none of the bedrooms make an attractive master bedroom unless you sacrifice an entire room for a walk-in closet, which is pretty wasteful in Europe, although we have seen neighbors in our building do just that because the plan didn’t incorporate enough space for wardrobes in the master bedroom.

I also feel like having an open kitchen with room for a kitchen table is a bit redundant when your dining room area is right next to it. Most people would favor one table or the other and since the dining area is already informal with an open plan, I would just combine them.

But aside from the small bedrooms, the biggest problem I have is with the massive, almost unusable entrance area and the pantry with two doors. The entrance itself is bigger than any of the bedrooms, but would not make an ideal office area because of all the doorways leading into it. Also, who wants an office area where they take their shoes and coat off?

I’m guessing that an additional stairwell in the building was required for evacuation purposes, because there is already a stairwell accessible to this flat through the main entry by the lift, but the architects still designed this pantry in the most inconvinient way possible. If one really must keep access to the door free for evacuation, one could never fully utilize the space in the pantry for storage. They would be limited to one to two shelves with access to the doors and the utility panel.

Here’s one idea that I would do instead:

First, I would have totally changed the entrance hallway to run directly along the windowless wall and to include all entries and the utility box, which is in our own hallway in our floor plan. I would also make built in closets in the hallway for coats and storage.

From there I would make a much bigger master bedroom with access to a bathroom with a huge walk-in shower with no door, double sink and toilet. There would be plenty of space for a couple’s extensive wardrobe.

Then I would make two smaller bedrooms for children, offices or guests. The rooms are large and long enough that you could fit double beds and wardrobes for children or guests, or an office with lots of shelving.

Against the Swiss standard, I would make the “public” bathroom in the flat the bathroom with a bathtub for bathing children or for guests to take baths and then I would make the space where the old small shower used to be the pantry, with an outward facing door to maximize storage room inside which could now run in an L shape along the back wall.

From there I’d make a spacious living room with plenty of seating options and places to put a TV setup.

Next comes the big kitchen with sit in dining. Some people are not a fan of this, but I believe this whole layout is not really conducive for a separate kitchen and these days it seems like formal dining rooms are less and less popular as people want to eat together where the food is made. A door from the living room could be optional to have the option for a closed kitchen if one wanted.

And then finally I would set a space for a big office with room for a guest bed, but this could also be used as a bedroom, guest room, playroom for children or some combination.

So I would turn those 150 sq meters into a four bedroom flat with more useable, enjoyable spaces than before.

If only Allreal had thought of this before they built the place. I’m pretty sure they are going to have to reduce the prices because the flats have been on the market for two years now without selling. And that’s pretty sad (and rare) in Switzerland, where space is limited and real estate comes at a heavy price.

Neubau Progress: Shower vs. Bathtub

Although our “rohbau” phase was completed, there was something small that I wanted to change. (I thought it wouldn’t be a big deal.)

Do you recall our floor plan? Check out the master bath. See how it has a bathtub? And the guest bath… it has a shower.

I’ve found this is something very common in Switzerland. Put the bathtub in the “Elternzimmer” aka parent’s bedroom and put the stall shower in the second and third bathrooms. But to me it doesn’t make any sense. If you have babies or little kids in the house, chances are you will probably want to give them a bath… in your master bathroom? Weird.

If you’re anything like Kay or me, chances are that you shower more often than you bathe, so why we would want to have a bathtub in our bathroom over a shower is beyond me. And yes, I know we can shower in a bathtub. I’m getting to the next point.

The reason why we were debating about bathtubs and showers was because there was an option for a “geflieste Dusche” or a flush tiled shower that Kay thought would be so much nicer than the standard shower basin. But it was very expensive at 6000+ CHF and I thought it was wasteful (and stupid) to spend almost half of our renovation budget on the guest bath that we will seldom use. If I was going to have a 6k shower, one that could even be longer than the standard 1m x 1m shower, then I wanted that shower to be in our master bathroom.

Double shower with no sliding door? Hell yeah, that sounds like a great idea. I wouldn’t even have to worry about mold growing as much with just a stationary glass wall to clean. We were both on board with that idea.

Above was what our guest bath looked like and below was what our master bath looked like. Practically the same and we assumed since everything was so far from being done that we could make a little change like this.

“Nope.”

That’s what our general contract manager (I don’t even know how to translate his title…) told us. The floors were already made, so we couldn’t swap the shower and the bathtub.

What?? It didn’t make any sense. Look above! Totally unfinished. Ok, almost totally unfinished. What’s the deal??

We were upset. We wrote registered letters telling our contract that we wanted to switch them and we wanted to know how much it cost. He refused. He told us that the floor was already made and there was a special box deeper cut for the shower installation. In order to have a tiled shower in the master bath we would have to have the floor redone and because the “rohbau” phase was done we were too late. Missed the boat. They were not going to drill up the floor for us. (They only do that themselves when they make big mistakes as we’ve seen…)

We were kind of pissed. I mean, it’s pretty handy that they were finished the rohbau phase as we signed for the apartment because we had a chance to step inside the real flat and see the layout, but switching the bathtub and the shower seemed like it should be so easy at this point and to be told they wouldn’t make this change was pretty frustrating.

In fact, it was around this time that we realized our GM is both stubborn and lazy. When he wasn’t on holiday, he wouldn’t read our emails until we’d call him after a week or two of waiting and all we ever heard from him was, “No.” Not, “Maybe we can work something else out…” Just “No“.

I also was insulted that the GM would ignore my emails and if Kay cc-ed me, the GM would only respond to Kay because “he’s the man” and obviously they are the only ones in a partnership making decisions… Even if Kay was on holiday in Cambodia and I was in Switzerland asking the guy to call me, he would still only direct his responses to Kay. Infuriating!

The GM seemed annoyed that we were taking time out of his coffee break to even address the shower issue and he refused to ever inquire about the cost of redoing a portion of the floor in the master bath, so ultimately after a couple months of fighting we had to give it up. In a complex with 170 flats, there’s no way to “have your way” in situations like this.

Neubau: 1, Katie and Kay: 0.

So when it came down to it, we took the bloody bathtub in the master bath and Kay agreed that we wouldn’t spend the money on a tiled shower, but that we would invest in some non-sliding doors for the shower stall.

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Flat A vs Flat B: Location vs. Cost

Between erstbezugComparis, and a few housing trade shows, at the beginning of the year I was swimming in neubau options. We had choices anywhere from 2 room to 6.5 room flats with terraces or gardens, but location and cost made it difficult to weigh the options.

It seemed like almost anything within the city limits of Zürich was priced at one million plus, no matter how far away from public transportation it was. And most of the loftier 5.5-6.5 flats were in towns 45-60 minutes to Zürich by bus and train, which was further than we were willing to move.

Erstbezug helped me find a few building sites near Zürich with flats that actually fell in an affordable range. From the project pages I was able to go through each of the flats at a building site and look for something in our size and price range.

The race came down to two flats/building sites, where I mulled over the possibilities over and over.

Flat A:

I found the Flat A project almost at the beginning of my housing search at the end of 2011. The flats were still pretty expensive for the space you get, but the location had so many good things going for it and the flats looked amazing.

Image via Homegate.ch

The Good:

  • 10 minute train ride to Zürich main station
  • Train, tram and bus lines available
  • Direct routes to the airport
  • Large shopping center across the street
  • Remarkable 90sq m (968 sq ft) balcony in some flats
  • Finished in summer 2013
  • My commute only increases by 5-10 minutes.
  • Kay’s commute would but cut in half

The Bad:

  • Still pretty damn expensive
  • Not sure how much we actually save much by moving
  • Only 3.5 rooms, meaning we will definitely outgrow it if we start a family.

Flat B:

I found the Flat B project a couple months into my search. It was a relatively new project and most all of the flats were free. If we chose to go with a 3.5 room flat with 20sq m (215sq ft) less than flat A, we could stand to save 250,000CHF on the price of the home.

Or if we paid the same as Flat A, we could upgrade to a 5.5 room flat with 20sq m more than Flat A. Decisions, decisions.

Image via Homegate.ch

I couldn’t stop imagining a bedroom, walk in closet room, guest room and office…

The Good:

  • So. much. space.
  • Value for money
  • Possibility to save a ton per month if we stuck with a 3.5 room
  • Parking spaces were a few thousand cheaper than Flat A
  • Kay’s commute would stay the same

The Bad:

  • 15 minute walk to local train stop
  • 25 minute total commute time to Zürich main station, not great.
  • Only the far away train and an unhelpful bus route nearby
  • Smaller terrace than Flat A
  • No groceries nearby, no large groceries at the train stop
  • Finished autumn 2013, getting a bit late
  • My commute would increase from 30 minutes to 1 hour one way.

During the whole process of looking for flats and trying to convince Kay that buying was a good idea, we missed out on a cheaper option in the building of Flat A. There was another 3.5 room flat the same size, but with a smaller (but still sizable!) 25 sq m (269sq ft) balcony and a small loggia that was selling for about 100k less than Flat A. I would have chosen it to save money, but shortly after we visited the showroom, the flat was already reserved.

The problem with building A was that we were a bit late in discovering it. Half the apartments had been purchased already and I could tell that there were larger 4.5 and 5.5 room flats that had gone for less than the price of Flat A. Hell, there were other 3.5 room flats that had gone for 250,000 less!

I felt like we were slightly too late with Flat A and that if we really wanted to capitalize on being an early bird, we could do that with Building B where all the flats were ripe for picking at good prices. I was also beginning to worry that we would overstretch our budget with Flat A and that it would be better to choose a much cheaper 3.5 flat in building B. Our mortgage would be sooo much cheaper with 250k less in debt!

Can you tell which flat which chose?

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